The Hillary Lady Down the Street

For many months, her house escaped my notice by fading into the background of my daily commute to work.  It was typical for our neighborhood: 20+ year old construction, well-manicured lawn, beautiful landscaping and a decorative, personalized mailbox.

But, one day in late January, her house finally caught my eye with a Hillary sign in the yard. Until that day, my house was one of two homes in the neighborhood that enjoyed a monopoly on election signs (both for Obama). But now a Clintonite had brazenly joined the fray.

"What's with the Hillary sign?," I thought to myself. The sign blended in nicely with her landscaping but was strategically placed for maximum exposure. It revealed the homeowner's thoughtful attention to detail and a commendable seriousness about the primaries. But it clashed with the Volvo in the driveway.

Before I could muster angst that she wasn't supporting my candidate, I reminded myself that this was a good year to be a Democrat. My neighbor and I shared the enviable task of choosing between several eminently qualified candidates.

My drives past the Hillary lady's yard sign remained fairly innocuous until the damning-with-faint-praise-heard-around-t he-world:


"Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign.  And Obama ran a good campaign here."

That completely changed the dynamics of my drive-bys. Those few words by a former president I hold in the highest regard sparked an angst I hadn't felt since late 2000--back when I realized that I, along with several hundred other principled but pretentious and impetuous Florida Nadarites, had propelled the idiot from Texas to the White House. My tours past the Hillary sign quickly escalated into cowardly drive-by acts of race-carding.

In the run-up to the Ohio/Texas primaries in late February, the primary became scorching hot, and the Hillary sign down the street gained a sense of grave urgency. One day, as my wife and I yelled "Shame on you, Hillary Clinton!" at the inanimate yard sign, we heard a "booo Hillary" chime in from the rear car seat. "Oh geez," my wife exclaimed,"we need to tone down our rhetoric; we've entered the netherworld inhabited by GOP scum." But tone it down we did not.

By the time Tuzla-gate broke, my wife and I were reduced to rambling, incoherent and malfunctioning Obamabots:

TUZLA! TUZLA! Your Hillary yard sign does not compute! TUZLA! TUZLA!

We had become partisan caricatures by that point. Any Hillary paraphernalia we spotted, especially the Hillary lady's sign, evoked a vitriol-laden display would make a Palin supporter blush.

As the primary came to a close, my wife and I become increasingly sadder representations of the proverbial bitter enders:


Why is your sign still up!? She lost! Get over it! {INSERT DEAN SCREAM HERE}

When she finally did take down the Hillary sign, we weren't appeased. Although by then the Clintons had had us at "convention speech," and we had returned to full love-those-Clintons ahead, we continued our pointless taunts. It was almost as if we were the ones who couldn't "get over it."

Since I found a shortcut to work, I don't drive past her house much anymore. Last week, though, my wife urged me to take the old route. "You have to take the neighborhood tour of newly sprouted Obama signs," she said.

"I've already seen them, honey," I replied.

Being the dutiful husband I was, though, I took her tour. When I arrived at the Hillary lady's house, I couldn't believe my eyes: she had placed two massive Obama/Biden signs in her yard (that's one more than I had!). And her signs were placed with the same strategic love and care that she had used to place her Hillary sign. I had been out-Obamad by the Hillary lady!

For the first time in many months, I was really proud of my political party.



Display:


Re: The Hillary Lady Down the Street (2.00 / 4)

I don't know what to say about your essay.  I found it a little hard to take that you were that overcome by your political beliefs that you had to act and feel like you describe. For the future, that kind of thing isn't good for your blood pressure.


by Scotch on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 10:56:08 AM EST

I agree. There was nothing right about the way (2.00 / 1)

I acted. In my defense (not that my actions were defensible), I was generally too much of a punk to roll the window down.


by Bob Sackamento on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 11:07:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Hillary Lady Down the Street (2.00 / 1)

glass houses Scotch, glass houses, many here acted in that fashion on both sides in the primaries. This essay is a humble admission of poor behavior to and judgment of a neighbor and the subsequent feeling of foolishness from said neighbor's unquestionable support of the dem ticket.  I appreciate this diarist's acknowledgement of that as I too can relate.  
I am not picking a fight with you, but have you never posted some virtiolic and antogonistic comments here before, similar in form to this diarist's behavior?  We can all reflect on our previous behavior and hopefully learn something from it.
by KLRinLA on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 03:47:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Hillary Lady Down the Street (2.00 / 5)

An incongruous volvo?  

In the primary there were two different 'identities' that were also very similar.

Black Americans started to get really thrilled when Barack showed he had a chance of winning. Then anything that seemed to disparage his historic run was felt like a punch in the stomach, and coming from Bill Clinton it was extra hard to take.  

And whenever Barack said anything disparaging about Hillary, quite a few women reacted exactly the same way.  

Perhaps only African American women were in a position to feel punched from both sides.  

I'm willing to 'forgive' Barack for diminishing Hillary's race by mentioning her 'experience married to Bill,' and making his veiled and unveiled accusations, although not Bill Richardson, who was free to endorse any candidate he liked, but who did not have to say that she had 'lowered the tone' of the campaign. Or to Howard Dean for showing feckless leadership when both sides needed a talking to.

I think it's way overdo for these revisiting the primaries to go away. We can discuss it in the context of history, once Barack is safely in office.  

right now it's better not to remind anyone. Women still feel the sting, as to African Americans.  We're very alike in that way.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 11:15:10 AM EST

I think I understand where you're coming from. (none / 0)

My wife, who is half African American, is still struggling to forgive President Clinton (though she is really proud of how Hillary has stood behind Barack). I apologize if this diary drudges up painful feelings; that was not my intent :-(


by Bob Sackamento on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 11:31:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think I understand where you're coming from. (none / 0)

Hillary's a class act.

I have mixed feelings about Bill.


by Bush Bites on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 11:51:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think I understand . (2.00 / 1)

At the time it was only African American women who 'got it' from both sides.  I don't think Bill realized how thrilled African Americans were, how uplifting and amazingly good it feels, I think it took a lot of black Americans by surprise, that they could feel so proud of the country and enthusiastic about his candidacy, like fully accepted citizens, at last.  It was slow growing, and probably Bill's remark really made a lot of people realize how 'behind' Barack they really were.

It was slow for women too, the longer she ran, and the way she energized it, and was upbeat and cheerful and didn't get 'taken down' by the negativity from the press, so we too felt kicked when something came from his campaign.  

I think Barack and Bill had some 'guy' thing.  I think Bill was personally pissed when Barack made that joke about her experience married to Bill, and he then diminished Barack by lumping him into the 'favorite son' category, without realizing he was raining on a lot of parades.

I hope when it's over they'll apologize to each other.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 12:13:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think I understand . (2.00 / 1)

At the time it was only African American women who 'got it' from both sides.  I don't think Bill realized how thrilled African Americans were, how uplifting and amazingly good it feels, I think it took a lot of black Americans by surprise, that they could feel so proud of the country and enthusiastic about his candidacy, like fully accepted citizens, at last.  It was slow growing, and probably Bill's remark really made a lot of people realize how 'behind' Barack they really were.

It was slow for women too, the longer she ran, and the way she energized it, and was upbeat and cheerful and didn't get 'taken down' by the negativity from the press, so we too felt kicked when something came from his campaign.  

I think Barack and Bill had some 'guy' thing.  I think Bill was personally pissed when Barack made that joke about her experience married to Bill, and he then diminished Barack by lumping him into the 'favorite son' category, without realizing he was raining on a lot of parades.

I hope when it's over they'll apologize to each other.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 12:13:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think I understand . (2.00 / 1)

At the time it was only African American women who 'got it' from both sides.  I don't think Bill realized how thrilled African Americans were, how uplifting and amazingly good it feels, I think it took a lot of black Americans by surprise, that they could feel so proud of the country and enthusiastic about his candidacy, like fully accepted citizens, at last.  It was slow growing, and probably Bill's remark really made a lot of people realize how 'behind' Barack they really were.

It was slow for women too, the longer she ran, and the way she energized it, and was upbeat and cheerful and didn't get 'taken down' by the negativity from the press, so we too felt kicked when something came from his campaign.  

I think Barack and Bill had some 'guy' thing.  I think Bill was personally pissed when Barack made that joke about her experience married to Bill, and he then diminished Barack by lumping him into the 'favorite son' category, without realizing he was raining on a lot of parades.

I hope when it's over they'll apologize to each other.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 12:13:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And as an "old white woman" (2.00 / 9)

I still feel anger at the accusation that somehow I am racist, or unable to understand anyone young.

There's was lots of crap on both sides.

For a lot of people, including the Clintons, who worked and marched for civil rights for four decades, that accusation hurt and was UNFAIR.

Again, taking out of context, the comments about SC, sends anger and resentment to the depth of my soul. I really wish Obama supporters would get over themselves and their sanctimony.  I have two Obama signs out on my lawn. There was never any option in my mind but to support whomever the candidate of the dems was......and HELLO the 7% of (supposed) Hillary supporters not yet supporting Obama are miniscule and many were never democrats to begin with.. I met a few.  I know what I am talking about.

But "that Hillary lady" in your title is every bit as obnoxious, demeaning as McCain's "that one".   It angers and hurts....but I blame you, not Obama.
You need to wake up and stop the condescension and the self righteous preaching.


by Jjc2008 on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 01:01:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hold on now... (none / 0)

My title reads "The Hillary Lady" (as in "the one and only") not "That Hillary Lady."

I meant for my diary to portray my actions during the primary as the shameful behavior it was, and I meant to paint the Hillary supporter in the flattering light she deserved. If I failed and came across as condescending and/or self-righteous, I apologize.


by Bob Sackamento on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 06:58:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sexism in the Dem party (none / 0)

It was incredibly disappointing to see this injected into our own party where so many were leaders in the women's movement.  Shocking, appalling, and discreetly fed by GOP trolls on the political forums.

In a way its healthy. It mobilized women voters and Dem women leaders and returned them to their feminist roots.  We learned we really can't take for granted that sexism has gone away, its still prevalent in our society and our party.


by Betsy McCall on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 09:23:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: And as an "old white woman" (2.00 / 1)

So in the same post that you express your anger at being lumped in with unfair accusations, you type this:

"I really wish Obama supporters would get over themselves and their sanctimony."

Not "some Obama supporters" or "many Obama supporters" or "the Obama supporters I met on <x> occassion," but "Obama supporters" without qualification.

Can you see how that sort of language - painting all Obama supporters with a broad brush of intolerance - also causes anger and hurt?


by Dreorg on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 11:17:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

People forget about Hispanics and Asians (2.00 / 2)

There was a tendency on the part of the commentariat to reduce the race to whites and blacks and males and women.  I guess you can argue that Hispanics and Asians weren't torn if you go by how they voted and that may be one reason why those two minority groups didn't get discussed as much.


by Blazers Edge on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 11:39:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Hillary Lady Down the Street (2.00 / 4)

Interesting diary.  Proof positive that the primaries heat was fueled not just by facts or differences in policies, but by emotions and ability to 'buy into' far over reaching generalizations.  One can take any kind of sound byte and turn it into somehing 'typical' (just look at the use of that word and remind yourselves it can happen), and that's no 'fairytale'.

In the end, I think most Hillary supporters will be onboard with Obama.  The ones who are not simply were the ones voting for the gender of Hillary, and not the substance of Hillary. Democrats, true Democrats, are better than that. Of course, as most of you have heard, I am now registered NPA because of how Democrats in Florida were treated by the DNC.  That's another issue, but I proudly sport the DNC's  " No third term, Vote Democrat" sticker on my truck.

We decry the vitriol that the McCain campaign has incited towards Obama, yet in some places, like dKos and even sometimes here, the same vitriol was incited towards the Clintons incessantly.  It was wrong. Folks tried to rewrite history  to make Bill and Hillary enemies of LGBT folks in order to support their hatred for them.  That was wrong.

Thanks for your acknowledgement that we are all on the same team after all.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 11:17:12 AM EST

umm (2.00 / 3)

sorry, but you're the type of Obama supporter that pissed me off during the primaries.

I think "does not compute" is pretty accurate though.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 11:23:51 AM EST

Yeah, I would've pissed myself off... (none / 0)

if the tables were turned. There's no denying that my attitude reeked during the lowest points of the primaries.


by Bob Sackamento on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 11:34:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yeah, I would've pissed myself off... (2.00 / 2)

Ah, the only thing I have a problem with is that you voted for Nader.


by Bush Bites on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 11:52:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Hillary Lady Down the Street (2.00 / 1)

I'm sorry, but when I saw the diary title, I could not help but think of "the little old lady who lived in a shoe" for some reason.


by RandyMI on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 12:22:59 PM EST

Re: The Hillary Lady Down the Street (2.00 / 3)

Thank you for:

"...back when I realized that I, along with several hundred other principled but pretentious and impetuous Florida Nadarites, had propelled the idiot from Texas to the White House."

I have had a very hard time with Greens and Naderites since 2000...kind of same reaction you describe regarding Hillary Lady's sign. I did support a Green in a local election in 2005 but have held on to animosity. One of my main problems is that so few of them can say what you said. It makes all the difference to hear someone realize a strategic error. So thanks for saying it.

As to this year, I liked most of the Dem candidates, often for different reasons. In some ways Richardson was my favorite, though it was clear to me he had no chance due to a Mondale-like lack of personality. I tended to dismiss Hillary (my Senator) as too much of a collaborator with the Republicans over the last 8 years, and I predicted Obama's political path would match Howard Dean's. But I found all of them good in their own ways.

Obama has far surpassed my predictions in every way. I am quite impressed and am a solid supporter. I endorsed him shortly before the NY primary. Overall, I am proud to be a Democrat this year though I am also always a critic of some Democrats.


by mole333 on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 12:55:31 PM EST

Re: The Hillary Lady Down the Street (2.00 / 2)

"back when I realized that I, along with several hundred other principled but pretentious and impetuous Florida Nadarites, had propelled the idiot from Texas to the White House"

Not forgivable.  How can you have looked at the campaign of a real live decent Democrat (Hillary) with such contempt when you yourself had shown such utter contempt for the Democratic party and this country when you voted for Nader?  That was not a principled stand but an incredibly arrogant one.  

I've been an Obama supporter from pretty early on and I tell you, you did not represent us well.


by mady on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 01:26:40 PM EST

By all means, pile on for the Nadar vote... (none / 0)

You can't beat me up any worse than I've beat myself up the past 8 years.

But, for the record, I was only a Nadarite for the short time it took to cast my vote on that day. Also, I suspect you're confusing me with someone else who voted Nadar. You see, I have never hated the Democratic party in my life, as I have been a democrat since I turned 18. I voted for Nadar because he best represented my ideals and policy positions at the time. I was young, idealistic and mistakenly thought I was making a principled vote.

To reiterate: I have ALWAYS been a proud Democrat (though today I'm a really proud Democrat). That day was the only vote I ever made that crossed party lines. It was a colossal mistake that I will hopefully never repeat.

In short, don't get it twisted.


by Bob Sackamento on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 07:13:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Hillary Lady Down the Street (2.00 / 7)

Personally, I thought we had two relatively average candidates in HRC and BHO, as far as progressive causes go.  I didn't, and still don't, see either one of them as liberal enough for my liking, but I recognized that both were better than any alternative on the other side, and I supported both--actually, all three, counting Edwards--in the primary.

But, I left dkos because of the anti-Hillary nastiness and found myself defending her constantly even on this site.  Not that I supported her over Obama, but I felt that the primary season Hillary-hate was over the top.

I'm 37--I'm not young, but I'm not old either.  I remember the Clinton years fondly and supported much (but not all) of what he did when he was President.  Compared to the last 8 years, well, there is no comparison--Clinton was outstanding.  And it drove me nuts and saddened me to see the bashing over-the-top Obama supporters doled out to Hillary and Bill as if they were in the same league as Bush.  I still feel it--I was out to dinner last night with my niece, nephews, and their partners, all of whom are mid-twenties tops, and the primary bickering reignited (me versus everyone else).

I support Obama.  But the way Hillary and Bill were treated was inexcusable.  Everything they said was warped into a 'racist' comment, even though from almost any rational view, that was stretching the bounds of credibility.  I'm just glad it's over now, and some folks are coming around to realize that things went a little too far--perhaps even on both sides.


by slynch on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 01:47:05 PM EST

Re: The Hillary Lady Down the Street (2.00 / 3)

I think we can all agree that ""Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign.  And Obama ran a good campaign here." is nothing more that a racist comment.

Just like suggesting that LBJ had anything to do with passing civil rights.  The 3 am add was racist.  Hell HRC is white she must be racist.  Bill Clinton is a white man he must be racist if he deoesnt support BO.

i can speak for one HRC support.  I will vote for BO, and will give him and the DNC money but after the race baiting smear campaign run against Bill and Hillary by his supporters he will never by my president.

And my guess is BO supporters would be voting for McCain if HRC had won the election.  In fact how many times have i heard BO supporters say they wouldnt vote for BO if HRC as the VP.  Just saying your post is typical.  HRC and her supporter are nothing but low info racist voters.

But now we have to vote for BO.  Well at least you are right about the last part.

david


by giusd on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 02:11:18 PM EST

Where'd you get such a broad brush? (none / 0)

I like the way you paint me with it.

For your edification: I am proud of Hillary and would have supported her with the same fervor that I support Obama if she was the nominee. Also, I'm on record on this website as optimistically certain that Hillary was going to be Obama's VP pick (he'd be stupid not to do it, I thought at the time). And I am also on record being very disappointed when Obama didn't choose her as her VP. Biden, as great a he is, was a consolation prize to me.


by Bob Sackamento on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 07:24:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Hillary Lady Down the Street (2.00 / 2)

Everything was considered race baiting to some of you Obama supporters, and that continued attitude will do more damage than good for him in the end. Bill and Hillary Clinton are about as far from being racists as people can get.  Your hatred of the Clintons obviously didn't start with this race.


by Scotch on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 07:33:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm not sure that person is an Obama supporter (2.00 / 0)

I believe they're being sarcastic.


by Bob Sackamento on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 07:36:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm not sure that person is an Obama supporter (2.00 / 2)

Oh, maybe so.  I reread it.  But sometimes it is hard to tell, because that would not have been an unusual comment to hear early on, and one of my main frustrations with some of the sayers.


by Scotch on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 08:10:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Hillary Lady Down the Street (2.00 / 1)

Woops.  Sorry for the following comment.  I didn't understand your point at first.


by Scotch on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 08:21:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Hillary Lady Down the Street (none / 0)

That is cool yes that was sarcasim.

dg


by giusd on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 01:41:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Hillary Lady Down the Street (2.00 / 1)

Thanks for this post, thanks for your reflections on the fevered primary campaign.

I think that the passion on the Dem side indicated how much we knew that this time we would win and how how much we care about this country.

For me, I am still a dedicated Hillary voter, more now than ever as I have watched her discuss the economic hurricane hitting us now.  I still feel terrible pain when I realize her brain and her fighting spirit will not be in the Oval Office.

I plan to write her name in the ballot this November.  Of course I can vote my heart this year, for a change, because I live in California and Obama won't need my vote.  No way would I ever let my vote be part of his losing the election, but I know that this scenario for California would be as likely as the DOW shooting back up to 14,000 next week.

I still have my anxieties about Obama's toughness and whether he can act as well as he can think.  His temperment is great; calm, even phlematic, cautious, deliberative and pragmatic, all qualities I want in a president, especially one facing terrible challenges.

But I still don't feel like I have a handle on his bedrock principals, because I haven't seen him act under intense pressure.  His career has not given him many experiences of battle, the big exception being this presidential election.

Some of his decisions have given me qualms and some have reassured me.  The FISA vote and the pandering to Israel, the revoking of his pledge to accept public campaign funds, all of these have cast him in the mold of an unprincipled opportunist.  The way he has run his campaign has been mostly reassuring of a smart and decent politician.  So for me, Obama has a confusing and contradictory persona.

Now, as the economy teeters at the precipice and people all over the world have lost faith in all institutions and fear is overtaking us all, I wish Obama would step up now and take leadership on the economy by announcing right now his economic team and proposing his strong economic policies and strategy on the crisis.  Instead he seems to be taking a cautious approach, keeping to generalities in order to preserve his advantage for the election.

I hope this won't continue to be his approach.  The best way to sell himself as president is to act like a president, not a campaigner.  I don't think this is a risk at all at this point.

It's not as if he will be outdone on this approach by McCain.  McCain has already cracked and crumbled in voters' minds.  


by spoot on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 04:40:52 PM EST

Worst Dem Primary Ever (2.00 / 2)

While its great to bring new people into the Democratic Party fold, we learned a hard lesson in how difficult it can be to deal with party neophytes who take primaries too seriously.

Being a Edwards then Clinton supporter was one of the worst experiences in my many years of political activism.  My hat is off to those like me who had to deal with the narrow minded, knee-jerk, reactionary attitudes of Obama supporters.  I can't help but believe if Hillary had been the nominee, things may have been different, the party still very much divided.

Here's hoping that you and other Obama supporters continue to stay politically involved, gain more experience and perspective, lose some of your intolerance and remember that the Republicans are the enemy, not your fellow Democrats.  Remember that half this party has forgiven the insults, embraced our candidate and hopes you don't make those same mistakes again.

And above all, learn not to let the GOP and the news media manipulate you.


by Betsy McCall on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 05:26:36 PM EST

Did you just congratulate yourself? (2.00 / 1)

In other news, Palin seemed to disagree with McCain again on foreign policy even though most of us would probably agree with her position on North Korea.

The irony is that her foreign policy view, as is the case with some conservatives (e.g. Buchanan, Paul) may have been closer to Obama's prior to her son going to Iraq and getting selected as McCain's veep.


by Blazers Edge on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 05:50:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Giving credit to Clinton supporters (2.00 / 2)

who really put up with a lot during the primary and the election campaign and stuck with their loyalty to the Democratic party.  They have been a class act and an example of what it really means to be a Democrat.  They're a great example of what this party stands for.


by Betsy McCall on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 06:04:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I agree and I was one of them as well (2.00 / 1)

So I guess you are giving me credit!!  Kudos to you for getting on board with Obama, it was pretty easy for me but I can imagine why it would be more difficult for others.  Coming from a pro-Hillary family, the older folks here only truly came around with the Biden pick.  They don't care much for the youngster from Chicago but they dig Joe.


by Blazers Edge on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 06:27:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I agree and I was one of them as well (2.00 / 1)

I would bet it was really with the Palin pick.  That is when I saw a lot of people gravitate to the Democrats, again.  


by Scotch on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 07:30:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Of course (2.00 / 2)

I can only speak for the local Dem women activists I know, but once the convention was over, we backed Obama.  We've been Dems a long time and party always comes first.


by Betsy McCall on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 09:17:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Worst Dem Primary Ever (2.00 / 1)

Is it really necessary to lump everyone who supported Obama into one large set, and then villify all of us?


by Dreorg on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 11:21:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Hillary Lady Down the Street (2.00 / 2)

I just hope you take the time to teach your child about tolerance of others political views and undue any impression you left on her and that your reaction to Clinton was not based on a lot of fact,  but on your emotions.  I fear that your child, having this type of experience and mimicing it will not develop a very tolerant understanding of the Democratic process.


by Scotch on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 07:41:05 PM EST

Yep, we've already had that talk... (2.00 / 1)

several times. I have had some explaining to do since the Clintons began brilliantly  stumping for Obama. What can I say? I was a hotheaded, big-mouthed jerk--an Obama supporter analog of Steve Schmidt, but without the high-profile campaign position. For what it's worth, I think I've learned the err of my ways.

Don't worry about the boy. I've already undone most of the damage, and, though we had our moments, we were usually fairly restrained when he was in the car. As much as it hurts (and it really hurts), we're even trying to remain objective about McCain when we're around the boy.


by Bob Sackamento on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 08:06:19 PM EST


You are not logged in.

In order to post a comment, you must be logged in. If you have a member account, please log in to comment.

If not, you can make an account right here. It's quick and free.